Enough said. Nobody is selling legitimate snowboards from Burton, Jones, Lib Tech, etc. Hell, nobody would even sell knockoff product at these prices.
Maybe so. Your credit card will probably do a chargeback, or you might win the dispute with PayPal, if you spend a few hours on the phone fighting for it. The Chinese government subsidizes shipping out of China , massively. It costs these companies essentially nothing to ship a package to you. Search Everywhere Threads This forum This thread. Search titles only.
Search Advanced search…. Everywhere Threads This forum This thread. Search Advanced…. Snow Talk. Backcountry Backcountry Trip Reports. Gear Swap. Toggle sidebar. Install the app. FAKE Burton boards - be careful!! Thread starter cab7 Start date Mar 11, Equipment Reviews. Join the conversation with a better online community Join today Snow Equipment. JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly. You should upgrade or use an alternative browser. May 8, 90 1 0. My mate just bought a Burton Custom board from eBay and when he went to test the flex of the board it cracked!
You can't tell their fake from looking at them, but they have dodgy core materials, which is why my mates board snapped when he tested the flex. If anyone is going to buy a Burton board off eBay, be dam careful!! Lukekrause First Runs. Aug 30, 0 0 31 Melbourne, Victoria. Apr 8, 1, 71 Blue Mts. How did sellers with lots of feedback, honest or otherwise, ever get a start, Luke? Oct 16, 50, 25, 1, Narbethong, Vic www.
Anybody who buys off the internet from somewhere without a bricks and mortar shop, knows the risks, and therefore can't whinge when they get dudded.
Tommymitch Early Days. Nov 21, 0 Click to expand This is highly debatable, but the biggest bone most guys have to pick with Novak is that he doesnt always specify that his boards are reproductions when he lists them on eBay. Nazari is undoubtedly in that camp: Novaks been caught, pretty much red-handed, doing reproductions, and I told him a long time ago, Dude, you could make some serious money doing what youre doing, but not ripping people off. After spouting an impressive catalog of closely detailed specs on year-old board dimensions and hardware sizes, Novak insists hes washed his hands of snowboarding.
I dont wanna hear about snowboards anymore. They aint changed in 30 years, and theyre never gonnaYou wont see me strap another one on again, he stammers. Snowboarders dont hang around here [in Muskegon]. We got guys Snurfing, and we know what its about!
Snowboard reproduction is similar to the international art market in that many fakes are sold as expensive original works without the collector ever knowing. The difference is that unlike a one-of-a-kind painting, no one is quite sure how many original vintage snowboards are still out there, stashed away under a pile of rubble in some dank basement. Despite all the skepticism that meets every old woody board resurfacing on eBay, people still score big at yard sales and thrift stores all over the country.
Sometimes sleepers just pop up out of nowhere. In the winter of , an year-old girl named Patty was working in Stratton, Vermont, fresh out of high school. She and some friends were partying on a big farm property with a bonfire and wandered into the barn, which was full of snowboards. It was loaded with them, she says. Apparently Jake Burton had rented the place previously and left a bunch of his work behind. Pattys fingers got sticky. I took two and I just happened to take a patent-pending board, she says.
Both boards sat in an attic for 35 years until her year-old mother learned that a heroin-addict relative had sold one online for 1, bucks. Left with the prototype, Patty called Burtons customer service department in and was offered a free snow outfit in exchange for the board.
In , two years before the first Burton snowboards went into production, a high school dishwasher named Chris Einwaller was helping a bartender named Jake stencil some graphics on a few marine-wood boards in the basement of Strattons Birkenhaus Inn.
As a thank you for the labor, Einwaller got to keep one of these original prototypes with a waterski-like toe piece in the middle and a doormat on the tail. It was just hanging in the rafters of my laundry room, says Einwaller, now a real estate agent in Portland, Oregon. I had the thing long enough and was just gonna get rid of it, but did some researching to see if I could get a few hundred bucks for it. This is still the highest-selling snowboard on eBay to date.
Explaining the cutthroat competitive nature of vintage-snowboard trading to a layperson can really get the experts fired up, especially when it come to fakes. No one likes their passion being undermined by someone trying to cash in on unsuspecting enthusiasts. Packer has moved on from brokering boards, taking up a radon mitigation business in Denver, but still has a chip on his shoulder for scammers out there. Worried that emerging collectors will continue to get ripped off, he hatched a plan to make a fake board from scratch, post it on eBay, and show TransWorld readers just how easy it is to punk even experienced collectors.
Picking the right model to replicate was crucial. Supposedly he made less than six of them before Stratton sent him a cease and desist notice, and he quickly changed the name to Londonderry. This would be an easy reproduction that would have collectors salivating.
Packer ordered eight sheets of rock maple wood veneer from a supplier in East Aurora, New York. He and a friend made the mold out of insulation foam that they cut and trimmed to shape. After gluing the pliable sheets together, they fused them against the mold with a dollar vacuum bag used for pressing skateboards. To make stencils for the graphics, it wasnt hard for a local art guy to identify the font of the lettering from an old photo of Jake riding an original and match the paint color.
Procuring the stainless steel flathead screws with the right amount of dimples was a challenge that sent Packer calling around to old hardware stores in Vermont, seeing what they had leftover from 38 years ago. The spongy vinyl of the original traction matting proved hardest to source, but a close replica would suffice in a photo.
Its also impossible to find twisted ropes anymore in place of braided ones, so he borrowed one from another board in his collection with the plastic handle. Then it came time to list the fakey, which he caked in dry Colorado dirt and photographed outside a beige storage unit. Thats what Packer was going for when he posted the board as roxxxyvt, the account name of a female friend from Vermont with a positive track record selling Pinterest-worthy accessories.
Packer knows what the diehard collectors are looking for, so he made sure to back up the story with a few misleading clues, like the old dollar fishing rod that roxxxyvt listed simultaneously with part of the Stratton board nudged into the corner of the photo.
Her most recent sales also included an old Burton Backyard, an item normally fetching around 3, dollars that she supposedly sold for only via Buy It Now, which made collectors go ape shit, Nazari included. I just got a look at the board you sold for and realize you didnt have any idea what you had, he messaged through his eBay account.
Im sure that is the case with the current board you are selling and Im sure you have had some very lowball offers for it. This is exactly how Packer intended it to look when he posted the first board and had a friend snag it immediately, later cancelling the transaction.
The private messages poured in, lowballing, warning against lowballs, congratulating on the find, desperately pleading to make a deal off of eBay one French-Canadian guy even offered to pay 7, dollars in monthly installments , and naturally included some very specific questions about the boards featureswhether the inserts were brass or galvanized and if the lettering was raised or screen-printed.
As things revved up, so did Packers conscience. Its hard for me to be dishonest, he said. Thats the biggest challenge. It just makes me question what were doing and why were doing this. The guilt was tough for him to bear after eight years of sobriety, which calls for honest reconciliation with everyone in his life whom he may have deceived in the dark days. Bob [Novak] did this for real, he says. Its hard to imagine he was able to swallow that pill on a daily basis knowing he was going to take thousands and thousands of dollars.
What started as a public-service warning was teetering on the edge of an emotional meltdown for Packer, whose life revolved around snowboarding since the 90s, when he traveled around with a few sponsors, including Nitro.
A few big collectors, including Daryl Thomas, messaged about the board. Its hard to say which of them may have bid with a privatized or alternative account, but the final few moments blew up. For the last four days of the auction, two particular bidders battled it out in dollar increments until someone else posted 10, dollars with three hours left.
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